I've had some fun, I like using a Pilgrim

If you want PvP, don't go into sov space - go into NPC null, Syndicate for example is full of PvP opportunities in which you dont jave to join the sheep.

Also, XLASB on Proteus? What the f*ck?

Seconded on NPC null. I'm currently based in Curse. Just a few hops from high sec Derelik will put you right in the thick of things - people won't dock up for a Proteus here, oh no, in fact you'll find yourself hunted. Also there are NPC stations with repair facilities and a pretty well-stocked market here so you won't have to jump back to high sec for mundane tasks.

XL ASB... on a Proteus...

Let me get my locater agent.

1. You fit the wrong ship for the job.
2. You would get much more success running as a duo.
3. Please run your ship through my gatecamp one day, we'll show you why the nullifier is important.

The people you call sheep win because they are smart enough to fly with friends.

Excellent, you've now seen for yourself why so many of us are keen to see some kind of remotely balanced situation between hi-sec and 0.0 rather than the current situation where there no reason whatsoever to be in sov 0.0 unless you're sitting on a titan waiting to bridge in.

Well until it is fixed for everyone you could consider camping a wormhole with a static null. Use an Orca alt for reship, storage and repair. You will die eventually but it will be exhilarating.

Sure, I understand all that. What a wormhole with a null static offers is a one-jump route to random null. Statistically it will be deep sov null more often that not (I think).

Sure it is. They go for sov because it provides them with higher levels of security. If local was removed, null industry would crash as it would be considerably less appealing (and its really not that appealing as it is). It wouldn't provide any "gudfites" it would simply make targeting half damaged ratters or miners easier to gank.

Tricks to cloak and move your probes, use D-scan to get a rough location then instant probe an enemy mean that you'd need to be D-scanning every 5 seconds to have a chance of seeing the probes pop up to warn you there's someone about. WH space is riskier due to the nature of local, but then the rewards are much better. WH space offers considerably better isk rewards than null and is a shorter safer trip to regular space most of the time (you usually don't have to take 40 wormholes through camps to get to high).

I think changes like that to null would just make null as empty as WH space. Sure you'd have your hardcore groups sticking to it, but most of it would just be the odd player here and there.

Nice read. But i doubt you was seeking PvP. And if you used a shield tanked Proteus, be glad you did not find PvP, just a bear in a Oracle. Well, if you admit you was looking for a gank, there might be people telling you that it's better to use a Loki. But hehe, since you wanted PvP, i think you don't need such advices lol.

I believe the general consensus here is "shield Proteus=fail Proteus". Stop defending it. Don't stop flying it by any means, but stop trying to justify it. The dps may be slightly higher and may be faster than the armor tanked (read design intent) one, but at least the armor fitted Proteus doesn't waste a subsystem slot, it utilizes it. The shield tanked Proteus is a novel idea, but a complete waste of time for anyone who's trained any skills that has anything to do with actually flying one. Any ship OTHER than a T3, and I would not have said anything. But with the T3 line, and with the way defensive subsystems actually work, flying it like you do is going to turn it into a wreck.
I know you won't actually listen.
You will continue to defend your idea, saying we aren't "thinking outside of the box" enough.
A shield tank Proteus is a dead Proteus. Fly a Loki, if you want to trade tanks. But, you're the kind of person to fit the armor sub, and shield tank it...

The funny thing is that in every post by someone like this (someone with an obvious bias), you can see what their problem is.

Lets examine the logical failures here:

-How told you you were entitled to go to null sec and kill people deep in player controlled space with combat or logistical support NO support? I mean it's so really hard to get a friend (or, if you don't like other people, make an alt account) that that could have come with you in a tech 1 ship with armor and hull reps that you could have logged out in some empty system that would then become your logistical base?

-if you don't want to make the effort to propery support you long range probe into player space, where are you staying in "shallow" waters aka null sec with 10 jumps of low. A cursory look at the star map 2 minutes ago showed me no less than 9 actvie zones withing 10 jumps of Amarr low sec for example.

-Who told you more high sec people in null sec would somehow be a good thing? Since alliances started renting space, many high sec corps already operate in null, and those players tend to be disasters of whining and BS. People who don't fight for thier space don't appreciate it. Their is a place for people with high sec personality types, it's called HIGH SEC (in spansih, it's called "el WoW-o).'

-Who told you null sec was supposed to be solo friendly? The places for solo people are low level wormhoes, low sec, npc null sec and high sec. Except for low level wormholes, all the above mentioned places have NPC STATIONS where anyone can dock. Null Sec is one of only 2 places in EVE for large scale organized player activity (the other being high end wormholes). You can "solo/small gang" there if you are smart (hell, i do invasive "PVE raids into null sec with a carrier , a cyno toon and a ratting machariel), but it's not built for that.

The funny thing is that you went to null and got a fight, which according to damn near every other high sec poster doesn't happen because of blue donuts and such.

Null sec is working fine, it's the unprepared, unwilling to put in effort, uncreative attitude of peopel who go there, get whooped, then come back complaining. You failed because you didn't prepare. Like when you post about afk cloaking, you didn't think this one through.

Properly fit Proteus can easily achieve that much sustained active armor tank, similar speeds, and just as great (if not better) DPS. Take advantage of subsystems and rigs.

Anyways, what I said still stands - non-sov NPC space (Syndicate might be best for you) is full to the brim with solo, microgang, and small gang PvP opportunities.

Did I say I did?

Or did you post a thread about how nullsec is unbalanced because you can't just solo whomever you please in a shield tanked Proteus and whine about having to go 78 jumps or some such for ammo and reps?

Is not "soloing an Oracle". Hell, you even said escape, so the fair assumption is that you ran. Hell, if he had to burn out his guns (which is unbelievably stupid) just for you to have a chance at it

Never heard of NPC 0.0?

It is bad because of role overlap. Other ships which don't cost 600m-1b each and drain SP when lost can do facemelting up-close DPS with a heavy burst tank that is the same, if not better. I'm thinking of the dual large-ASB Cyclone or dual XL-ASB Claymore. Stabberbond, Vagabond, Blohk, Vexor, and to some extent the Myrmidon can all perform the role you were going for on the Proteus.

The Proteus has a role of it's own, and that is having a cruiser sized sig, colossal armor EHP, and putting out high DPS on top of that; It isn't hard to go over 400k EHP in a Proteus. Your standard non-cloaky aHAC Proteus fit runs around 200-260k EHP w/ 700+ DPS depending on skills.


EDIT:
[Proteus, Tengu Hunter Doctrine - Cloaky Recon Proteus]
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Magnetic Field Stabilizer II
Corelum C-Type Energized Explosive Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
Imperial Navy Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I
1600mm Reinforced Rolled Tungsten Plates I

Federation Navy Stasis Webifier
Republic Fleet Warp Disruptor
Corelum C-Type 10MN Microwarpdrive

Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Void M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II
Medium Trimark Armor Pump II

Proteus Propulsion - Localized Injectors
Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - Friction Extension Processor
Proteus Engineering - Power Core Multiplier
Proteus Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration

WAT?

No. It has 200k+ EHP omni in armor buffer. No need to cycle a damn thing either, it's just there. It still has over 180k firing into its lowest resist.

The DPS and maneuverability drop that comes with it would be expected from an armor ship. My armor fit also has webs, so if you were going to engage it using your Proteus fit your MWD speed advantage would be nullified. If my disruptor is swapped for a scram, you are effectively immobile. In a 1v1 fight pilot skill would be the determining factor between your fit and mine.

On another note, you risk being instapopped if something goes wrong. 3 1400mm Tornadoes should be able to blap that set EHP. The armor fit requires 20 Tornadoes to be instapopped. It is situational for both.

The armor fit he posted is also less dps on paper, yes.

But it has a web. You will apply about as much of his fit, as you would with your higher dps with no web.

Possibly more. It might have less paper dps, but against anything smaller than a Battleship (like an Oracle) his fit will perform better just through having better damage application.

I've found blasters and rockets both really need a web to hit effectively.

You know? We should all hop on that thread you have posted in Ships and Modules.

More appropriate to the topic to be over there.

I'll post an active armor fit I've seen used for you over there. I think it does need a PG implant to fit, but it's been a while since I rifled through my T3 fits.

I'll also see about putting up a Loki for you to look at too. You did say you were mostly shield skills, right?

Nah, the Proteus has enough abundance of lowslots to go armor and still fit three mag stabs easily.

Now, I must ask, do you have the budget to faction pimp this thing? Because I swear by the Shadow Serpentis Warp Scrambler. (3 scram strength, invaluable for catching semi wary people who fit a stab)

Thread:

WAHHH I DON'T KNOW THE GAME, FIX IT!

Here's how it works, dude, you're doing it all wrong...

BUT IT'S NOT THE THING

Calm down, here's a great way you could do it

BUT THAT'S NOT THE WAY I....

It's ok, you've got a good start, but here's where you're wrong:

NO I'M NOT I'M ALWAYS RIGHT CUZ THATS WHYI POSTEDCUZIM RIGHTTT~!!!~!1111111one





In closing, I sincerely wish your presence in my anom in said proteus, good sir. You could even bring a friend for a proper meal after that snack.

Complaining about the odds being stacked in favor of your prey, when the only reason your prey is there, is because of said stacked odds

Couldn't even care to read the responses.

We go out there. Logistics is troublesome, but doable.

Check your Mascara and join SpaceJunkys channel or contact me inGame.

Thank you.

so basically you went to null with the intention of fighting people that don't want to fight. this may explain why you find null-sec such a non-entertaining experience for you. This game has plenty of mechanics for people to avoid non-consensual pvp. This is balanced by the fact that someone who isn't specifically fit to fight is at a massive disadvantage against someone who is.

If you want your game experience to be equivalent to "press butan with no thought, generate reward" - lets be honest, that is exactly what hunting "nullbears" exclusively is - there's plenty of PvE content in this game to amuse you


you know, if you are properly piloting (in this case being HIT ORBIT 500 ON HIM in this case, its not even anything that complex) there's pretty much no way he can hit you, much less force you out of ASB charges. I think the major issue here is "you don't know how to fly ship," from there stems your inability to find/generate interesting pvp content

again, CCP has already designed plenty of content for people like you. You can even find them in asteroid belts! They are the red crosses.

You're having so much fun, you're AFK most of the time?

Is this with the shield fit, or have you tried out the armor fit we gave you in the other thread?

And yes, it is fun. People who hate on it (and PvP in general) tend to be people who haven't tried it. Personally I like Netflix while waiting for a target.

Pretty funny coming from a high-sec carebear bad like yourself.

A proteus is not a good ship to run around underestimating alpha in. All it takes is 1 tornado dropping by to say hi and you'll lose a few hundred million + some skill points.

Also, for someone who does 95%+ of your "PvP" in highsec and only jumped a few cynos and a ratting boat or two in null, you sure do try to talk tough. Lol.

Riiiiiiight. I don't think you know how PvP works in null, if you think people don't run around with bait ships now and again for the express purpose of shooting idiots in covops cloakers.

Pop a combat ship and you might know what you're talking about. You haven't yet.

I doubt you've been playing for longer than me. I've been playing for far longer than Akirei has been around.

Also, a Noctis is a pretty ****** bait boat. I'm frankly surprised someone even tried that. But if all you want to do is shoot defenseless blips, you are essentially a PvEr. Might as well try this game if its what gets your blood pumping. PvP is about competition between two human players looking to kill each other in a game, not about a human player mildly inconveniencing another every once in a while.

"Null is too stacked in favor of carebears and it takes too long to fly out into the middle of nowhere to find them."
-Don't fly so far away into null and you'll find plenty of good fights.
"The fights I want are the ones that are really far away"
-What? Then stop compaining.

Flying for three hours in one direction, repeatedly, is boring which is why no one does it. Discuss.

Er nullsec is 15 jumps from Jita and less to other high sec and even less to low sec stations, why are you going 38 jumps (78 round trip)!?

Why did I hear an Australian accent when I read that? Do you know your ship "the crocodile hunter"?

A JDC V carrier is ... like magic. Really far-jumping magic.

*Snip*

Sorry for poast longer than a T-shirt slogan but your oblivious, can't be told anything attitude just doesn't fit with your fail tactics and run-of-the-mill style.

I'm to lazy to check someone do it for me. Are they Harry-style cynoship kills on the vfk undock

I went, I saw and well, I lost my ship.

Whats the difference between the bubbles anyway? I got out fo one that seemed like a normal shield but I got killed in one that was flashing with lightning. Any explanation would be fun.

You snipped out my whole point and only responded to the bit that could be construed as an attack on your ego? And a DEM STATS response as well?
Well i rest my case.

I can think of at least 20 places to go and get a 'fight' that are less than 30 jumps from Jita; Sov Null is probably the WORST place to go look for anything but ratter kills before you get home defense'd by 20 angry nerds for messing with their isk:hour.

If you're baiting those 20 out though, that's an entirely different story.

Does anything happen beside stopping your warp when you faceplant into a bubble? Like is the guy warned that his bubble caught something?

Only 1 system was really populated and I nearly got caught on the exit gate. Was able to finally jump ( the seconds waiting for it to happen seems much longer when there are people around the gate) after getting shot once. All in all the trip was not bad I guess but I don't see myself going there for any big amount of time even if I had a carrier support. Seems like it would only provide a bigger KM to the locals for very little going my way.

And that's really a part of your problem. The truth of the matter is you're always trying (and failing) to prove a point about local and maybe cloaking (ie the issues you are always on about, as evidenced by your posting history that anyone can look up). Which is fine, to each his own, but you started this thread in completely whiny fashion of "boo hoo, null sec is hard and people don't go there because of 70 jumps" or some such,

I mean really, where do you find the unimaginable gall to come here and tell people about going to null sec without a SCRAP of support and your failed attempt to kill a cheap paper thin PVE fit battlecruiser (an ibis could kill a ratting oracle.... and an Ibis if free.) with a half billion isk armor family ship that you shield tanked (lol) and THEN blame "null sec" for being messed up lol?

No sir/madam, you didn't come across some secret about why high sec people won't go to null, you inadvertently stumbled across the real reason why high sec people stay in high sec. Incompetence at playing a video game.

High Sec doesn't make players think the same way as every other region of EVE-space does, because those other regions (low, null, wormholes) punish incompetence with blown up ships, whereas in high sec, the only time that happens is in PVE (which is why the bulk of high sec's ship explosions come from PVE, and most of those or frigate, destroyer and cruiser sized ships in or close to noob system areas according to the "you guys sure like to blow things up" blog from CCP).

None of that is the point. The point follows:



The bolded is THE number one point of failure in your thinking. it's the same as me saying "I pay for EVE, i should be able to solo Vanguard Incursion sites in a Ibis".

People pay for ACCESS to EVE, they aren't paying for success and "I win" buttons. Some things in EVE take effort, creativity and cooperation.

Sov null is not the place for "solo".

- High sec is the place for solo.
- Low sec is a place for solo and small gangs/groups.
- Low to middle end wormholes are a place for solo.
- NPC null is a place for solo and small gangs even though it sometimes gets used as staging points for sov alliances or living space for nomadic alliances.

Sov null is one of 3 "places" purpose built to encourage and require larger, more organized groups (the other 2 being high in (c5/6) wormholes and Incursions). You can see this in sov null sec because it allows groups to restrict access to their own stations unlike EVERY other place in EVE that has stations

So, why do you think it's ok to take one of the very few sections of space that caters to groups and turn it into empire....when you can just use Empire or wormholes for your purely solo activities?



The other question is, why is it so hard for some people to make friends. I made friends with people and got invited to my 1st corp (a high sec mission running corp) within 2 weeks of starting EVE. That led to making more friends, and those friends and I did faction warfare together when CCP introduced it, and that led to more friends who took mt to null with them, and so forth.

Where does this "I should be able to play a MULTIPLAYER" game as efficiently as a group without making any friends" entitlement come from?

Exactly.

Complaining about how he can't solo in null like he could in some other place (like NPC null or low sec) is like me saying "I pay for this damn game, WHY do I need to sacrifice a high slot for a probe launcher in this damn wormhole just because I want to go out..I demand GATES".

I would like to read your dissertation. So you believe that everything from the start of EVE till now was ... divine fulfillment or something? You are talking of the as-is, while I was just pointing out that the sandbox can look different, if the people in it had acted/would decide to act in different ways.

The whole point was to show that the mechanics are less a cause for as-is than the actions/mindset of the players as a total. But, well, I guess you missed that point conveniently so you could show me how smart you are?
Which was of course never at doubt to begin with. I congratulate you warmly - you are an intelligent being.

True, but you do have to fight and kill more than just cyno frigs to burn anything down. Because if that's all you can do, then you're just another "afk" cloaker.

This is a lie, The EULA says I should be able to do everything in the game i want to if I pay 15 bux, so ima go solo a c6 wormhole in a Rifter, because of mah rights!

Thing is? Tough luck. That's what they even take sov for, to keep people out. What you are talking about, having stations and resupply and repairs and stuff, is other parts of the game. It's not sov null. That's what sov null is for, to take your own space. It would hardly be their space if you could just dock up where ever you felt. Then it would be lowsec with TCUs.

That's really a different problem, to be honest. What they complain about is the fact that player industry in null is nothing even close to empire industry.

Secondly, what you are describing is true of a lot of NPC nullsec. The pirate factions have stations there, you know?

Really, the problem is that your expectations aren't matching the reality of the region. What you describe does exist, just not in sov.

So I'm looking at the KM and trying to figure out what is was you were trying to kill (the loki?), or did what you were trying to kill get away and not shoot at you?

It's not so sure. I have roamed sov null sec for 88 jumps and the only guy I found fleed like a wussie despite my ship was just a BC.

Only "reliable" way to get action is to go NPC null sec (besides low sec). Which for a full dedicated PvP game imo is quite poor, expecially if you are a person who can't establish a nice setup involving 2-3 hours game time, alt for scouting / RR / refilling etc.

Your welcome for dropping the bait cyno.

im just going to say this proteus is armour you have an augmented plating subsystem for **** sake that is the worst t3 fit ive ever seen its worse than cancer

just cause it managed to kill stuff solo dosent make it a good fit you had to run from a friggin oracle for god sake

Infinity if you really slowboated out from HighSec and had a "Ghetto Station" with you I tip my hat. That is awesome.

I was looking for you for ages :)

Good work.

You could have done better in a bomber and you don't get kudos as a pvper in null sec for popping what actually is 16 ratting fit ships in your bought toon. You're proteus fit is btw is insanely bad. I'm sure you'd be invited back for more. I added up your ship + pod loss and the kills do NOT pay for what you lost.

You got boned hard dude. Just sayin'.

http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19011270
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=19010603

Man, you were not solo. You had an alt in a falcon which you swapped later for crane as eyes and with supplies.

Killing ratting ships is ok, but killing pods and salvagers in T3 is not. And don't be surprised that so many on the kill - this is what happens if you annoy many people in system :)

Respect for going that far from NPC space, but it would have been harder were we not deployed to Fountain...

o7 Infinity. Let me know when you want to go Oracle vs Proteus round 2

It's kinda funny how a guy can brag about 21 kills after soliong in null sec while at the same time asking for it to be easier to solo in null sec...

Um, it was a pod... How is ECM relevant on this killmail?

Also, no one should care if you are using a falcon alt or not. EVE online doesn't care if your "solo" pvp has a falcon alt. Also, get a booster alt, they're pretty handy.

Lokis are well recommended.

Yeah, imagine that, a guy wanting to PvP a lot (and in the gutsiest form) in the pure PvP game. The outrage!

This thread and every single post you've made in it are self serving and egotistical.
I know four Tribal pilots who solo roam in T3s. At least one in Darkness of Despair a bit south. More in CVA towards HED.
They know what they are doing, barring a couple who use them as cloaky transports. They kill and they get killed.
Not one of them expresses any disdain for others unless it's for laughs.
Doesn't matter what your stats are like, friendless, sperging types don't really find a place in powerful groups. Solos will never enjoy what group members do (station availability, fat rats n roids, markets).
The problem is your personality, recommend you grow one.

The outrageous part is a guy asking for what he wants to do to be made easier, despite the fact that doing so would go against good sense.

What good is ownership of space if people can dock and refit in it without your consent? How is that different form NPC null.

No, he wants CCP to make the game do for him what HE should be doing for himself ie he should provide his own support for deep space raiding. Asking for ccp to automate a process that should be done by people (even if those people are using alts) is a good example of the failure I call "the high sec mentality" and is anti-sandbox in nature.

I do pve raids into deep space with ships and alts i've grinded for litterally years for and grind still to plex for to keep them active, yet have you seen me come to CCP and ask for things to be made easier? No, because I'd rather actually play the game than have someone hand me "success".

That's just idiotic the way people like you always resort to saying that when you know you're wrong. It's childish in the extreme. But then again, you tend to stomp your feet like a child when people don't agree with you.

You just proved that deep space raiding is viable and possible in game right now with EVE as is, and you here you are still basically asking for a change to the game to make what you just proved was [possible even easier to do.

Don't you see how dumb that is?

When I troll you, you'll know you've been trolled boy. You'll hear banjos and people telling you to squeel like pig.

But more seriously, you are lying. In this very thread you've made suggestions/asked for changes (asking to be able to dock and refit in someone else's is asking for changes). The Op itself is SUGGESTIVE. You don't just "make an observation" there, you're promoting a thinly veiled agenda.

And you know it.

You do it all the time with the afk cloaking stuff and the local stuff and that ridiculas BS about making half a bil and hour (sustained) in null sec that Malcanis called you on etc etc. You'd be a much less crappy poster if you'd stop being blatantly dishonest.

Yes, the weak-minded do tend to band together for some reason. Here another one who presented a bad ill-thought out argument and suddenly everyone else is a "troll". Where I'm from such disrespect would be called "a lack of home training".

CCP isn't in some conspiracy to screw "independent minded" (read loners/losers) players. EVe provides A LOT of space for solo and small gang activity, but that's not enough for the greedy loner,

No, he has to have SOV space too, because npc null, low sec, wormhoesl and high sec aren't enough. Like the insidious cancer like carebear that , rather than play a PVE oriented game, comes to games like EVE and begs for better pve content and "to be left alone" (lol), the loner expects CCP to make every corner of the game accessible to them because they pay a sub,

It's ridiculas welfare-esque entitlement thinking at work.

If you want to go to someone else's' null sec space, FIGHT to get in, FIGHT to stay, be creative in how you do it. it's a game about conflict, so get your conflict on and squat in someone else's space just like Infinity proved is doable. But stop asking for free docking stations and cloakable POSes to make it easy for you.

In EVE real (Internet space) men take what they want, they don't run screaming to mommie/ccp.



Also Dracvlad, like the rest of your type, feel free to get mad/butthurt and call me a troll for simply showing you the error of your ways.

OMG, you mean you have a plan to figure it out for yourself rather than suggesting CCP does it for you and others?

That is the whole entire point. If you can do that, cool, that's how it should be.

I don't have to have SOV space. I'll force tribal to give me access to their stations. I have a plan.

[02:44:10] om rootingking > Can we set this guy blue for the purpose of repeatedly shooting him to smithereens, please? he's an aussie that needs a stiff **** in the arse

Hope to see you on an undock SOON bro o/

No kidding tackling a ratter......

A ratting ship pretty much melts in PvP.....this would be why there are ratting fits and PvP fits, no help arrives because by the time that anyone can GET to ratting lands with a PvP ship the guy you tackled is dead. There is basically no way to respond, unless there are a bunch of dudes in local...which I would wager there weren't or you wouldn't be tackling.

Some guy log in and take off without looking at intel, GG for pruning the low hanging fruit.